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There's a new top dog in town.

Conceptualizing the 8th edition of Pinarello's revered Dogma platform originated last summer, at that time when the Italian brand's proven Dogma 65.1 was in the process of claiming yet another victory at le Tour under Team Sky's command. It was there that two of the UK squad's top sponsors agreed to partner on the bold endeavor, a project set to shatter the standards previously set by the multiple tour-winning 65.1.

Yes, we're talking about the supercar engineering team at Jaguar joining forces with Pinarello for the development of the all-new Dogma F8 — a complete ground-up redesign of what many called perfect. And in true Pinarello fashion, testing results of the recently released frame speak for themselves. Sharing the 65.1's finely tuned geometry, the machine's refined design, courtesy of material upgrades and fresh tube shapes, yields a race bike that lays claim to a 47% improvement in aerodynamics, a 16% more balanced feel, a 12% increase in rigidity, all while shaving 120 grams over the previous version in the process. Welcome to the future of asymmetric engineering.

Sticking with its proven ally in composite development, Pinarello again relied on Japanese carbon fiber supplier Toray for the F8's build. While the 65.1's 65-ton 65HM1K Nano-alloy Carbon Fiber was a carbon more rigid and reactive than anything Pinarello had previously used, Toray had an exclusive new material for the F8: Torayca T1100 1K Dream Carbon with Nano-alloy technology. While the name is certainly impressive, its application is even more so. T1100 is the current go-to outer skin for many modern aircrafts, and its stiffness-to-weight ratio is nothing short of stunning. Compared to a 940-gram, size 54cm Dogma 65.1 built with Toray's 65HM1K, the same frame built with T1100K weighs nearly 80 grams less, while retaining the same structural characteristics. But weight, of course, is only a slice of the Dogma F8 equation, as we all know tube shape application also plays a vital role in the bike's handling and overall efficiency.

Starting at the front of the frame, Pinarello applied its new Onda F8 fork, which, at 360 grams is 10% (40g) lighter and reduces fork drag by roughly 40% compared to the previous Onda 2. The new fork has been derived from that of Pinarello's TT-specific Bolide, wearing an optimized surface profile that works with airflow from the front wheel. The blades wear a somewhat "bowed" or convex stance, which Jaguar's engineers say is the sweet spot where air stays attached — reducing the size of the wake — without creating too large a frontal zone.

Moving to the frame, Jaguar's engineering expertise came into play through the use of CFD (Computational Fluid Dynamics), as well as using Pinarello's existing 65.1 Dogma as a baseline, in which more than 70 frame configurations and 300 CFD analysis cycles yielded the most aerodynamically efficient frame possible. Integral to these analyses was the implementation of Pinarello's new tube shaping, dubbed FlatBack. A cross-section view of this shape reveals an ovalized frontal section paired with a rather truncated back half, which was done to create a vacuum that eliminates turbulence. So while a true aerodynamic tube profile wears a non-UCI-legal 8:1 ratio, Pinarello applied the maximum 3:1 allowable ratio to the front half, without the drag-inducing ovalized rear half. The result is a tube profile that contributes to the frame's overall increase in aerodynamic efficiency, while maintaining the rigidity and ride quality of its predecessor.

You'll undoubtedly notice the seamless integration of the fork with the tapered 1 1/8 to 1 1/2in streamlined head tube and oversized FlatBack down tube. At the bottom bracket junction, Pinarello stuck with its proven Italian-threaded BB, a design choice it stands by for both reliability and overall rigidity. The F8's asymmetric chainstays are paired with the new Onda RS F8 seatstays, which are positioned low — meeting the seat tube farther down — and wear a more concave shape in comparison to the previous 65.1's stays. This lower design hides the rear brake cluster, along with the new TwinForce integrated seatpost clamp, thus improving the airflow past this rear section of the bike. Additionally, the extensive CFD testing revealed that by lowering the seat tube water bottle mounts, less drag resulted. Because of this, Pinarello incorporated three holes on the seat tube for two bottle mounting positions.

Pinarello's asymmetric design philosophy is ever-present in the Dogma F8, as its engineers again restudied the forces in action as a rider sprints on the pedals, pulls on the handlebars, and muscles the bike through corners. FEA (Finite Element Analysis) confirmed that the 65.1 Dogma's asymmetrical design was beneficial in leveling the variances in frame deflection from one side to the other, which is why the F8's tubes have been arranged in a similar, albeit more asymmetric (16% more), layup to better balance drive-side forces.

As with the 65.1, carefully engineered internal cable routing on the new F8 allows for you to easily choose between either mechanical or electronic shifting systems, without any penalty to the bike's aesthetic or its aerodynamic profile. The F8 features interchangeable cable stops at the frame openings that are capable of being intuitively swapped out should you select different drivetrains throughout the life of the frame. Along these lines, the carbon Air8 seatpost accepts both Shimano Di2 and Campagnolo EPS battery packs, but you'll need the mounting hardware, sold separately.

The Pinarello Dogma F8 Frameset is available in 13 sizes from 42 to 62cm. It comes in the colors 950 Naked Red, 951 Naked Silver, 952 Carbon Red, 953 Black Yellow Fluo, 954 White Carbon Red, 956 Red, and 958 Team Sky.

  • Torayca T1100 1K Dream Carbon Fiber construction
  • F8 ONDA fork
  • 47% more aerodynamic than the Dogma 65.1 THINK2
  • Internal cable routing compatible with all types of drivetrains
  • Seatpost accepts both Shimano and Campagnolo seatpost-mounted batteries, but you’ll need the mounting hardware

Tech Specs

Frame Material:
Toray T1100 1K Dream Carbon Fiber
Fork:
Onda F8
Fork Material:
Toray T1100 1K Dream Carbon Fiber
Head Tube Diameter:
1.125 x 1.5 in
Headset Included:
yes
Bottom Bracket Type:
Italian
Cable Routing:
internal
Front Derailleur Mount:
braze-on type [removable]
Seatpost Diameter:
n/a
Seat Collar:
integrated
Recommended Use:
road race
Manufacturer Warranty:
2 years
Actual Weight:
952 Carbon Red, 50cm: 1850g; 952 Carbon Red, 51.5cm: 1850g; 952 Carbon Red, 54cm: 1850g; 952 Carbon Red, 55cm: 1850g

sizing chart

Dogma size by rider height

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Geometry chart

Pinarello

Geometry Chart

 

Dogma F8
 

Seat Tube

(c-t)

Effective Top Tube

(eTT)

Stack

(S)

Reach

(R)

Head Tube

(HT)

Head Tube Angle

(HTo)

Seat Tube Angle

(STo)

Bottom Bracket Drop

(BBD)

Chainstay

(CS)

42cm 42cm 49.8cm 49.3cm 35.1cm 10.5cm 69.2o 74.4o 6.7cm 40.6cm
44cm 44cm 50.3cm 50.1cm 35.7cm 11cm 70o 74.4o 6.7cm 40.6cm
46.5cm 46.5cm 51.5cm 51.2cm 36.7cm 11.5cm 70.5o 74.4o 7.2cm 40.6cm
47cm 47cm 52.5cm 52.5cm 37.3cm 12.5cm 71.4o 74o 7.2cm 40.6cm
50cm 50cm 52.5cm 52cm 37.4cm 12cm 71.4o 74o 7.2cm 40.6cm
51.5cm 51.5cm 53.5cm 52.7cm 38cm 12.5cm 72o 73.7o 7.2cm 40.6cm
53cm 53cm 54.5cm 54.2cm 38.6cm 13.9cm 72.5o 73.7o 7.2cm 40.6cm
54cm 54cm 55cm 55cm 38.6cm 14.7cm 72.8o 73.4o 7.2cm 40.6cm
55cm 55cm 55.7cm 56.1cm 38.9cm 15.8cm 72.8o 73.4o 7.2cm 40.8cm
56cm 56cm 56.5cm 56.9cm 39.1cm 16.5cm 73.2o 73o 7.2cm 40.8cm
57.5cm 57.5cm 57.5cm 58.4cm 39.7cm 17.9cm 73.7o 73o 7.2cm 40.8cm
59.5cm 59.5cm 58.7cm 61.2cm 39.4cm 21.5cm 73.4o 72.4o 6.7cm 40.8cm
62cm 62cm 62cm 65.1cm 41cm 25.5cm 73.4o 72o 6.7cm 41.1cm

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I am looking at the F8 and wondered if you could tell me the difference between BOB's 022 and 677.
Thanks,

Glynn

Hi Glynn,



The difference is VERY subtle. The Gloss black is more focused on the seat stays on the 022, and seat tube on the 677.

Avg. ride time: 1h 36m per week
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Second Review - F8

  • Familiarity: I've used it several times

I wrote of my initial impressions when received the F8 from CC and now I can write on how it rides. Rode 75 miles (in 95 degree heat) in So Wisconsin last Saturday. First time out......first thing, the SRAM BB with ceramic bearings was unbelievable smooth and the stiffness of the BB was amazing....... kept looking at the crank!? I started to get real comfortable after about 25 miles and the F8 really handles! I feel very confident in riding this machine. And while stiff on the BB side, a very compliant ride. Its not any lighter than my EVO Black and the EVO climbs very well but the F8 climbs every bit as good as the EVO and feels smoother doing it (we climbed 4600' on Sat). This bike is definitely worth the money......you won't be disappointed in the comfort, the speed, it's handling or it's climbing ability.

Second Review - F8

Super sweet! FYI, always take pics with the chain in the big ring, also known as rule 26.

Avg. ride time: 1h 36m per week
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First Cut Review

    I ordered my F8 on Friday to include a SRAM BB and a SRAM crank set. They were able to get it installed and get it to me by Tuesday! that includes me screwing up on the color order. I found out 4 hours after I submitted my order and got an immediate response from Wes Branham, the customer account manager. He had the real color I wanted and switched it out! The bike came, with the items mentioned installed and packaged beautifully. The bike is absolutely gorgeous! It is down at my LBS finishing the build out and hope to ride it this weekend. I will write another review after I get some miles on the bike but wanted to share the initial feelings of the look and, more importantly, share the excellent job the Wes and his team do at Competitive Cyclist.

    I ride a 2015 Specialized S Works Tarmac in 52 with am 110 mm stem. Would you recommend the dogma F8 in 50 or 51.5?
    Thanks, Fabian

    hey Fabian I would likely go with a 51.5 dependent on a couple other things, contact me here and I can go over a couple questions to make sure that is correct for your size. kylebrown@backcountry.com 801-736-6396 ext. 4417

    BEST BIKE I've had BUT...

      As my first road bike, I had a 1,500 USD aluminum Cube Peloton and I loved the sport. Then I upgraded to a 4,000 USD Focus Izalco Pro AG2R Replica (which I still have) and that was a huge level up, it just felt that me and the bike we were one matching puzzle. Finally I went for a F8 2015 edition glossy black red and again it is the best bike I have ever ridden. The advantages over the Focus Izalco pro are a few and I will explain them below but do not fool yourself, it is not worth the extra 6,000 or so USD for a complete bike. There are lots of bikes out there at the 2-3k USD mark and they are brilliant, you just need to test them and "marry" the right one.



      Back to the Dogma, the first thing that stroke me was how precise it rides: the handling is so good that you can be accurate to the milimeter, if you just think you want to go 10 cm left you go exactly 10 cm left, and then suddenly you want to turn 20cm right and it will do that, so you can almost be a painter on the road (if you wheels are painting that is); I think they got the angles very right same as Rolo Bikes claim to do, just google it, this is much more expensive than the Dogma and it is Pure Science...The second thing is, and this might be like a placebo effect, the Dogma just makes you want to go faster and stronger...Third thing is it just looks amazingly beautiful and I particularly like it in the 2015 paint like in the image. Oh, and also, I held the frameset on its own, it is so light and feels plasticky so that when you squeze the frame at its thickest point it is so flexible that one can imagine how thin that Private Jet Japanese Carbon is.



      HOWEVER and this is the big thing...I am an expat in Moscow and can only ride the bike May to October, otherwise it's too cold in the winter. So those who cannot afford the bike but have amazing weather must be happier than me :) I recently got a huge knee injury whilst skiing and recovery is one year during which I will only be able to ride on a stationary bike with low resistence. Those of you with two healthy legs, should be very happy and forget what bike you ride! A healthy body is the most important thing here. I got overtaken by a ex military guy on an aluminum 12 kg bikes uphill whilst riding the Dogma F8 once, and let me tell you it felt very bad. So again two strong legs beat a not so strong rider on the Dogma :) And ultimately, whatever you do, don't spend too much reading about bikes and riding (as I do now) but just go out every day even for at least 15 mins, and then you will be happier than me looking at my Dogma but not being able to ride it at all ... Hope I inspired you.

      BEST BIKE I've had BUT...

      This is the dumbest review I've ever read

      what a wonderful review and exceptionally accurate comments regarding the importance of riding a bike and not spending too much time reading about them and wanting. get the balance right!

      top of the heap

      • Familiarity: I've used it several times

      It kind of gives you the best of all aspect of what you want in a road frame. First off it's fast, maybe most importantly it is very fast. Next it feels good to ride, it's not harsh, it just feel good on the road. if you have owned or ridden the dogma 2 or 65.1 think this will blow them out of the water, it's improved in every way. If you have questions on sizing, builds, compatibility etc. contact me kylebrown@backcountry.com

      Exceeds expectations!!

      • Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer

      Thanks Competitive Cyclist and Rob! This frame is amazing! The finish and paint quality is beautiful (57.5 cm, model 673- red, white, and black). I have ridden this frame for three months and love every second of the ride. On long and short steep hill climbs, this frame is stiff and responsive. Descending is like riding on rails.... (stable and comfortable) maybe it's the Enve 3.4 wheels (BTW- excellent wheel set!!). Overall, I'm very pleased and impressed with this frame and highly recommend it... Regrets? None... :-)

      Exceeds expectations!!

      Hi Gary,
      I am looking for the right frame size for me. I'm 1.90m, long legs.
      Would it the 57,5 fit or shall I go for the next size?
      Thanks!

      Hi Pablo,
      I would highly recommend getting fitted before you select a frame size. Height alone does not determine frame size (gets you within the ballpark....). Leg length, flexibility, core strength, and positioning (aggressive or relaxed) are critical elements for selecting the correct frame size. Getting fitted is worth every penny especially if you are going to purchase this frame. Good Luck!

      Gary

      Avg. ride time: 2h 38m per week
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      Amazing!

      • Familiarity: I've used it several times

      I upgraded from a 65.1 Think 2 to this, and all I can say is that this is another level of great! Snappy, comfortable, and confidence inspiring. I've put it on a few long rides and 3 crits, and I have nothing but smile!

      Amazing!
      Avg. ride time: 2m per week
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      Are you guys getting any new color soon? I am very interested in the white one.

      hey BJ, we don't have any on the way but if you want to get in touch with me I can see if I can custom order one for you from Pinarello kylebrown@backcountry.com

      Unbelievable bike

      • Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer

      I upgraded from a Wilier Le Roi to a Dogma F8 two months ago. Amazing bike, has the ultimate balance of being light and stiff with control and a smooth ride.

      Unbelievable bike
      Avg. ride time: 1h 43m per week
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      Best Pinarello I've ever ridden

      • Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer

      In the realm of the super bike you have a plethora of options. They are almost all light, stiff, and ride terrifically. The thing that set this bike apart was the stiffness and also how easy it was to work on. I LOVE that pinarello has stuck with the threaded BB (and i love that it's italian thread). The ease of use is beyond awesome for me, it's easy to route the cables and the bike rides GREAT. It's incredibly reactive as a racebike should be, and it snaps through corners like a Formula 1 car. It's as light and stiff as i could ever want, but I REALLY REALLY like the threaded bottom bracket. Most aero bikes are rather...ugly...this one looks sleek and sexy. Thanks in no small part to a collaboration with Jaguar. I felt so good about the weight of the bike i decided to eat a burrito after climbing up to Park City from Salt Lake. What a great bike. If you have any questions feel free to email me at robsmallman@backcountry.com.

      Best Pinarello I've ever ridden

      Hi I ride a storck absolutist in 51cm frame size would you suggest me ordering a 51.5 f8 or 53 cm size. Also would suggest putting campy esp or regular super record 11

      Thank you

      I ride a 51 aernario and am also debating between the 51.5 and 53. 5'9 with a 30.5 inseam, usually ride an eTT around 53.5-54 and reach around 38.5

      Avg. ride time: 5h 54m per week
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      best bike ever

      • Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer

      i have used this bike for about 6 months now. its simply the best there is. dont bother experimenting. if you want super car of bikes it is F8.

      for size 46.5 which sprinter stem make it parallel to the ground?

      Thanks for the question. The headtube angle on an 46.5 is 70.5 degrees so you would need a 19.5 degree stem to make that 90 degrees or perfectly parallel to the ground. It’s a small piece so its not really noticeable (and fit is more important) so most people run a 7-8 degree stem inverted and it looks parallel to most eyes.

      Best Answer

      I have the frame in size 54 and run a 6 degree ENVE stem (-6). Mine is not parallel nor does it look parallel but it looks real good slammed.( I changed out to a 4mm under the stem) I think a -8 or -10 stem would be where I would go.



      Pic is old but stem is cut now to leave 1cm above stem.

      I have the frame in size 54 and run a 6 degree ENVE stem (-6). Mine is not parallel nor does it look parallel but it looks real good slammed.( I changed out to a 4mm under the stem) I think a -8 or -10 stem would be where I would go.

Pic is old but stem is cut now to leave 1cm above stem.

      The Bentley/Rolls-Royce of bikes

      • Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer

      After spending the last 3 months of my season on the new F8 I think a comparison to the best luxury cars made is a good description and here's why. It rides superbly, smooth, easy to drive, comfortable at any distance, but still has get up and go. With that being said there are some bikes that I feel faster on overall in race situations. But if an all out race everyday with you head down low isn't your first priority this is the bike you will want. It is very compliant and takes care of you on your ride so after 100 miles you don't feel like you just had the tar beat out of you. Efficient and smooth through the flats it's easy to get into a rhythm and put it on cruise control. Let's face it if were spending big money on a bike we want it to look good to and this bike is sexy, you don't see many riding around and I hate to admit it but that is something I like. But above that is the fact that I can ride this bike all day long, it takes care of my whole body on the long drives, climbs smoothly, descends perfectly capable and I had no hesitation to hit 50+ with all the confidence in the world. at 5'7" I take the 50cm frame. I can help you out with sizing questions or any other details on the F8 and can be contacted directly at kylebrown@backcountry.com

      Kyle,

      I'm 171.5 cm (5'7.5") and currently ride a 52 SL4 Tarmac with a 100mm stem. My seat height is 71cm (30") from saddle to BB center. Due to lower back problems, I prefer a more relaxed position.

      Should I get the Dogma F8 in size 50 with a 110-120mm stem or a 51.5 with a 90-100mm stem?

      Thanks,
      Daniel

      Hey Daniel, give me a call 801-736-6396 ext. 4417 or email kylebrown@backcountry.com and I'll help you dial in sizing

      I am a weekend rider, but I likes the design of this frame, the roads in my country is not good, so is this frame comfortable to use on such roads? And is it durable enough? My weight is something around 105 kg



      Thanks

      Hello, Thanks for the question. This is a fabulous bike for just about all types of riding. While this bike is designed to be incredibly stiff laterally, the ride is very comfortable. Rider weight isn't an issue at all. I've probably spent as much time on dirt roads as on pavement on this bike so I wouldn't say bad roads are a problem.



      Another bike to explore is the Pinarello KOBH (now called the Dogma K). This was designed as a Cobble racer for the spring classics. If your roads are that bad, then maybe the KOBH would be the bike for you.



      Feel free to reach out and I can definiltely talk more about this bike and point you in the right direction. We have lots to offer.