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Late January Dispatch

- Much gossiping about the impending Lance vs. Landis battle at the Tour of California. The hot rumor we're hearing is that the pick-to-click is, in fact, Tom Danielson. Word on the street is that he's flying. He's proven in the past that he knows how to rock February. It'll be interesting to see if he can get Team Garm*n some podium time.

- Had some requests to do a weigh-in of the top-tier components from Campy, Shimano, and SRAM. Happy to do so. What you see below are actual weights done on our gram scale, not the manufacturer purported weights.

WEIGHT

Super Record

Dura Ace 7900

Red

Rear Derailleur 182 166 145
Bz On Front Der 75 66 70
172.5 53/39 Crank 654 655 595
12/25 Cassette 209 191 170
Shifters 343 363 270
BB 91 93 116
Chain 250 266 266
Brake Calipers 286 295 272
Total Weight (g) 2089 2095 1904
       

COST (MSRP)

Super Record

Dura Ace 7900

Red

Rear Derailleur 475 300 310
Bz On Front Der 210 160 110
172.5 53/39 Crank 950 700 355
12/25 Cassette 410 300 230
Shifters 565 700 555
BB 45 45 195
Chain 85 70 76
Brake Calipers 405 440 295
Total Cost ($) 3145 2715 2126
       

COST/WEIGHT

Super Record

Dura Ace 7900

Red

Rear Derailleur 2.61 1.81 2.14
Bz On Front Der 2.80 2.42 1.57
172.5 53/39 Crank 1.45 1.07 0.60
12/25 Cassette 1.96 1.57 1.35
Shifters 1.65 1.93 2.05
BB 0.50 0.48 1.68
Chain 0.34 0.26 0.29
Brake Calipers 1.42 1.49 1.08
$/g 12.73 11.04 10.77

From the vantage points of both weight and cost, SRAM Red looks pretty hard to beat. Red's front shifting is arguably wanting in comparison to Campy and Shimano -- too much drag in the cable, too long of a sweep required to shift from small-to-big, and no front derailleur trim in the small ring. But except for this one gripe, it's easy to see why so many people (including me) are going Red.

[ed.: Thanks for the comments below stating the misleading nature and/or irrelevance of table #3 above. I agree that tables 1 and 2 stand for themselves, and table 3 furthers the facts no farther. Thanks again.]

- Coolest pro bike we've seen in ages.

- Some fantastic photography of Astana training in Tenerife here. Go to Index>Training Camp> Tenerife, then skip to photo 26 or so. The photos are so nice it made me Mapquest the whereabouts of Tenerife. Vacation, anyone?

- If you care to be an optimist, click here. It pertains to vehicle sales, but we'd like to think is might possibly it correspond in some distant way to bike sales as well.

- More for optimists here. A story suggesting we might see an imminent reduction in the price of bike tires and tubes. Despite the unprecedented trouble in the economy, manufacturers and importers still show stubborn resistance to price reduction as a means of stimulating business -- even when currency factors and raw material cost reductions allow it.

- NYC photojournalism. Proof that one man's trash is another man's treasure. I feel like this should've shown on BSYNC instead of here.

- The photo of Ernesto Colnago giving the Pope a gold-plated Arabesque bike is well-known to most fans of Italian bicycles. But until recently, I'd never seen this photo of somebody from Campy giving the Pope a 50th Anniversary group. Quite the Service Course they must have at the Vatican, no?

- Assos wished us a very delightful Happy New Year. Better late than never indeed.

- Maybe you saw this story on Velonews about how cycling tsotchke mail order company Velo Gear sold to an operation called "Midwest Velo". They define themselves as a "national leader in…merchandising, online, and catalog retailing." That's a heady piece of self-promotion! I figured that maybe it was Victoria's Secret or Williams Sonoma that bought it. In fact, our research indicates it's a chain of Trek concept stores. Should be interesting to see how they meld their Trek focus (with whom mail order is verboten) with Velo Gear's mail order focus. The synergy isn't readily apparent to me. But as someone who built up a sizeable online bike business starting with a tiny 2-man brick & mortar bike shop, I wish them well. Hard work and lots of luck still pay off -- no matter what the Dow says. Tear it up!


February 16, 2009

The Pope Jean Paul 2 was an avid cyclist, local frame guy in Montreal gave hima bike also, Marinoni bike.
- hot papy, saint bruno

February 04, 2009

If you really want a low-weight bike, just run one chainring & one sprocket and install only the front brake. Maybe get a "belt-drive" instead of a chain-drive. Really serious riders will also forgo the seatpost and saddle. And, the true supermen will go without a front wheel and then brake by just dragging a foot on the ground. A real low-weight beast will tackle the Mortirolo on a draisine. "Super Record" BWAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
- PawleeWalnutz, NYC

February 04, 2009

Thanks for the link to Barry's bike. That explains the photo in Barry's photo essay in the last Bicycling where it shows the TRP Cross brakes on his road bike -- he left the brakes on after taking off the fenders.
- Steve, Vienna VA

February 03, 2009

What a bunch of dunder headed weight weenies. Weight vs cost is not the issue. Price is the issue. After riding on Campy for over 15 years I feel betrayed. Record 8. Rebuilt levers to Record 9. Had to buy almost a complete groupo to go to Record 10 Compact about 18 months ago. They immediately go to ultra drive followed up shortly by Record 11. Enough is Enough. I'm not pinching pennies. Not rich but I do okay. I love my Campy. Until now anyway. About to build up a new custom bike but I'm going to Sram Force. Clean conservative look. Even the Sram Red group is a bit too "Euro Trash" for my tastes. Whats with the ugly graphics on the crank arms and the "ergo" levers. When Campy Record got above $2,500.00 they lost me forever.
- Duke, Tulsa

February 03, 2009

Hot rumor? Tommy D. Please! Too much ink has been spent talking about a comeback from this guy. Not sure why he has a column in Pro Cycling either. His sisyphean journey is getting tired.
- Luke , Chicago

February 02, 2009

Will the Pope ever ride that bike? On the other hand, they're more keen on Youtubing these days. DIsmal failure there again.
- Cozy Beehive, NY

February 02, 2009

Yeah, the Red Crankset is soooo flexy: http://www.rouesartisanales.com/article-21336546.html I can't imagine what you did before integrated spindle cranks!! what with the massive watts your putting out, you probably just sheered those square taper things right off! /sarcasm That said, Red's Ti front derailer is rubbish, but even with a force one on there it's heaps lighter than the competition (or you could use the dura-ace one, although I'm sure most people would balk at that mix-and-match
- Nick Martinez, Corte Madera, CA

February 02, 2009

Nice Pix of Sr. E. Colnago There is also a picture of Eddy Merckx giving Pope Paul the 6th a DeRosa before the prologue of the Giro. i believe that it is a group audience when the Pope blessed all the riders. it's probably in an edition of Bike World. Sr. DeRosa, modest man that he is, realized that it is better to work through proxies. Nor did E.M. offer up a bike with gold Super Record parts on it. Too Old Testament.... The Vatican has never issued an encyclical on the relative merits of Milanese frame builders.
- Feliche, Two Rivers Wisc

February 02, 2009

Anyone remember the saying (I think by Keith Bontrager) "Cheap, Light, Durable--Pick Two." Having said that, I'm not impressed with Red's shift quality and the cranks feel flexy compared to DA and Campy. Plus the Red brakes aren't on par with DA nor Campy. Folks need to remember that sure gram counting is nice to look at to get you "warmed up" so to speak. But its the shift quality, brake quality, and drivetrain stiffness (ie: the real performance) that make a truly satisfying product...
- JP, Colorado

February 02, 2009

Buy Campagnolo, The other two are a fishing reel company and a plastics company masquerading as a bike part manufacturer. Do you really think it is sexy for an Italian bike to have anything but! I worked in a shop that had two of those gold plated kits sitting in inventory (for years!) great stuff.
- Steven, Greenville, SC

February 02, 2009

Did you mean BSNYC?
- Mike, VA

February 02, 2009

31 years of riding Dura-Ace is not going to changed by a upstart that is 191 grams lighter. With Lance pocketing SRAM profits I'll never be putting any money in his anti French, insecure hands.
- peter, sydney

February 01, 2009

Because SRAM Red is both lighter by 10% than either DA or SR, AND it is 28% less expensive than DA and 48% less expensive than SR (in the States only), it messes up any traditional "value" ratios we used to use to justify paying more for lighter components. Typically we expect to pay more for the value of having lighter weight durable components. In this case SRAM is able to deliver both lower weight and lower pricing, a double whammy. Someone would have to argue very long and hard to convince me that I should pay more for similarly durable components that weigh more. The argument for SRAM RED is so strong the only way to discredit it would be to show that pros do not rely on it . . . oh, but Alberto Contador, Levi, Lance, etc. all rely on it day in and day out. They have a lot more riding on their performance than we do. Congratulations to the team at SRAM for nailing it. Good luck to Shimano and Campy on those electronic transmissions . . . you'll need it.
- Z, LA

January 31, 2009

Not only are the cost/weight values not additive (you have to find the common denominator before you can add fractions), the cost/weight analysis makes no sense. You want to minimize both. For example, if you either increased Red's cost or reduced its weight (both bad I think we can agree), Red's cost/weight value of 10.77 $/g would decrease... meaning what? That it's even more better than SR/DA than it is now? It actually DOES change the conclusions, which are slightly misleading. All this means is that relative to SR/DA, Red (which is both cheaper and lighter) is more cheap than it is more light. I think what you're looking for is either multiplying the two values to find the lowest product; or, subtracting the weight from a reference weight so that you're dividing cost by weight SAVINGS.
- Y, Toronto

January 30, 2009

As I recall, the Campy 50th presentation photo ran in Bicycling at that time. As a kid, I scrutinized every photo of every issue. I may have saved that issue along with my Bridgestone catalogs and Bridgestone "Horse of a Different Breed" poster!
- Jay, Needham

January 30, 2009

Andy, Thanks for the data and the photos. After you so generously shared your information, I hate to point out a flaw, but I do not think the $/g ratios are additive. In other words, the $/g for SRAM Red is $2126/1904g = $1.12/g not $10.77/g; Shimano DA 7900 is $2715/2095g = $1.30/g; and Campy SR is $3145/2089g = $1.50/g. It does not change your conclusions that SRAM Red is not only the lowest cost pro group, but the lightest pro group, and the compounded value of the two is 16% greater than Shimano DA 7900, and 34% greater than Campagnolo SR. As a big guy, I can also attest to the durability of the SRAM Red drive train, it is best in class. This durability translates into even greater value as you do not have to replace wear items like cassettes and chainrings as often. Additionally, the cassette does not chew up freehub bodies like a DA 7900 does . . . further saving money and time.
- Greg, San Francisco