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Q&A, October 28

If you're a faithful reader of our What's New section, then you're probably aware that we've added some standard blogging functionality that allows readers to post comments. (Scroll down to the bottom to see it.) We appreciate the feedback, the questions, and the de facto effort at dialogue. Today we'll try our best to answer the questions and comments from our last posting --

- Now that you've got the Campy 11 gear in stock, what's the plan for keeping some of the older 10 gear goods on the shelves (like cassettes)?

Unless you stop to really ponder it, it's hard to appreciate how much change Campagnolo has gone through in the last few months. Most obvious is their introduction of Super Record and 11-speed in general. From a technology standpoint the evolution of Campagnolo componentry for 2009 is astounding. Even though Shimano's hype machine has been going bezerker for the better part of six months about Dura Ace 7900 (while, ironically, releasing a total of $0 in new product to the marketplace), Campagnolo chose to be quiet about 11-speed 'til it was ready to sell. And now that we have it here, we can assure you that it's serious innovation.

What's been given less attention, though, is the fact that Campagnolo has -- for the first time ever -- instituted a Minimum Advertised Pricing (MAP) policy. Basically this takes looseness out of Campagnolo's pricing structure. Distributors must advertise pricing to their dealers at a set price. Likewise, dealers must advertise pricing to consumers at a set price.

Our feeling here is that 2009 Campagnolo MAP is appropriate for new-for-2009 components. Where things get a little more complicated, though, are on pre-2009 components, such as 10-speed Record and Chorus. Many of these components have gone unchanged since ~2006, and in anticipation of 11-speed many distributors blew out 10-speed at astonishing prices this summer. We bought a lot of it, then put it on sale at a proportional savings to our customers. For example, there was a point a few months ago when we were selling Record 10 Ergopower levers for $289.99. We weren't selling these at our cost to get rid of them. In fact, we were making our standard margin for Campagnolo (which isn't saying just a whole lot…) What's different now, though, is that Campagnolo MAP policy has been put into effect. And what's the net impact here? Those same Record-10 Ergolevers have a retail price of $550.00. No, that's not a typo. Same levers. Same distributors. Same Competitive Cyclist. But the price is now 2x.

So, to answer your original question, how much 10-speed will we be stocking? Not much, since the 11-speed equivalent is identical in price. For wear-prone components that are only compatible with 10-speed -- cassettes, chains, and Ergopower internals -- our gameplan will be to keep a bit of inventory on hand to keep our dedicated 10-speed customer base in good shape. But you'll see some price sensitivity on our part. By that, I mean we'll likely only carry either 2008 Chorus-10 cassettes or 2009 Centaur-10 cassettes, not Record-10. Why? The technical differences between them are minimal, but the price difference is in the $100's of dollars (e.g. MAP on a 2009 Record-10 cassette is $365.00, while MAP on a 2009 Centaur-10 cassette is $110). We'll have Record 10 chains on hand, and Record Ergo index gears & index springs. But all in all we're pretty focused on 11-speed, and the pricing structure of Record-10 makes us doubly so. Let us be super-clear here: We support Campagnolo's MAP policies 100%. But the head-scratching MAP of pre-2009 Campagnolo will cause us to carry very little of it.

-Are you gonna get any warming 'embro?

We spend too much time reading and re-reading the embrocation reviews compiled on the right margin of the Belgium Kneewarmers blog. Mad Alchemy, in particular, tantalizes us. You'll likely see some more options soon. One question for all of you, though: Do you remember that Eddie Murphy bit from Raw or Delerious about "Brut, by Faberge" and his grandmother catching him washing, um, himself in the sink? Every time I think about warming 'embro, I think about that skit…If only I could find it on Youtube.

- No more Colnago? Whassup?

Correct, we are out of the Colnago business. It was a painful decision, and it was strictly a business-based one. Few brands are as sentimentally powerful to us as Colnago. In fact, no single bike purchase ever meant as much to me at the C40 I bought back in ~1997. I still daydream about those little Mapei cubes on the top tube and imagine riding at 50kph with elbows akimbo like Andrea Tafi. But in the context of business, daydreams kill.

Colnago makes beautiful bikes. Alex and Ernesto Colnago are fine people, as is the CEO of the US Colnago distributor, Manfred Krikke. When a group of people this good-hearted can't manage a way to be mutually successful in selling something, that's when the warning sirens go off. We heeded the warnings -- they've been blaring at us for awhile now -- so we're moving in a different direction. No hard feelings or axes to grind here. We sincerely hope that Colnago finds a way -- someday, somehow -- to fulfill its potential destiny to be the Ferrari of bicycles. That's been their ambition for many years, and they're probably the only brand in the market capable of summoning the sufficient romance and technology to make it happen. If you're dead set on buying a Colnago, our recommendation is to contact International Bike in Boston. They are the most capable Colnago dealer in the US, and they'll provide a level of service equal to what we (strive to) provide here at Competitive Cyclist.

- …Sure [triathletes] are different to roadies but roadies are equally odd and significantly more conceited. I could go on but then I would just sound like you. By the way, is Cervelo by chance your number one selling TT bike? Would that purchaser perhaps be a triathlete? Since this 'market' is so small should you refrain from stocking them??

Yes, Cervélo is our best-selling TT bike. Yes, roadies are significantly more conceited than triathletes. Please recognize, though, that that's a point of pride, not something we're ashamed of.

- I really would like CC to put the actual weight of the Deda Newton alloy handlebars in your description. 209 grams? Not close, even in the smallest size. Honesty in listed weights reinforces your credibility as a respected LBS.

Great point. Thanks for bringing it up. Your comment has triggered a lot of conversation here about what we can & should do about providing real product weights vs. manufacturer-supplied weights (which is what everyone in the industry uses). Expect to hear more from us on this in the near future. Also, just so you know, a size 42cm Deda Newton bar weighs 251.744g.

- Am I missing something on the link to Michael Barry's bike fit commentary? perhaps the wrong article is linked, or is it mysteriously between the lines?

Hmmmmm. Maybe I'm wrong, but it looks to me like his comments got toned down from the first time I read it. I went back to the article and it reads a lot more tame than it did the first time around. I think some bowdlerizing went on at VN.com. Interesting.

- And in our never-ending attempt to read the tea-leaves of the global financial collapse, and what impact it might have on the bike market, did any of you catch the Wall Street Journal article from 10/24 titled "Reliance on Exports Now Hurts Asia"? It's an eye-opener. We now count 3 factors that in theory should force a significant price drop on bicycle goods: (1) The unprecedented gain in strength of the US dollar vs. the Euro. In the last 3 months we've gone from 1.6/1 to 1.25/1. (2) The drop in the price of oil, which should greatly decrease the cost of shipping goods to the US market. (3) The increase in manufacturing capacity for Asian-made goods. When will we see price cuts from our vendors? Not before Christmas, we bet. But as consumer spending continues to fall -- and if the US Dollar continues its strengthening -- we'd be shocked & amazed if we didn't see it by early next year as wholesale revenues go flat or go in reverse in comparison to 2008.


January 08, 2009

Don't expect to see US prices come down just because your dollar is up. We Canadians are familiar with this scam. When the Canadian dollar declines, prices go up. When the Canadian dollar goes up, prices stay flat and we hear explanations about the great service Canadian distributors provide, etc.
- Jim Smith, Calgary

November 03, 2008

Just rode 2 hard rides with new Campy Super Record. I will say it is a great upgrade from brakes to the much smoother shifting. I tend to upgrade every few years and debated this upgrade but WELL worth it. Note - fair disclosure I did not buy at CC as I told Andy I needed to support my local shop who also did the install but I did buy a few extra cassettes for my training wheels and I'll keep buying my Pinarello's at CC... hopefully I don't break another one! Thanks guys love this blog and new stuff - put the link back on the bottom or somewhere more prominent...
- Thomas Thornton, Greenwich

October 31, 2008

Looks like the boys over at USA cycling heard your call about the state of our national track program. http://www.velonews.com/article/84791/usa-cycling-revamps-track-program Keep up the good work. Agree or disagree, your column is always a good read.
- Jason, Charlotte, NC

October 30, 2008

love your column. you should devote a future article on campyUSA/ShimanoUSA pricing. why do they force internet sellers to sell products at full price. on european websites campy record is advertised for 800 less. socialism in na...free market capitalism in europe. this ec law is the reason why... Under the Competition act 1998 and article 81 of the EC treaty, non competitive price cartels,( where authorised dealers, or distributors all charge the same price for goods,) are illegal, and can incur a fine of 10% of the firms turnover, furthermore, a prison sentance of up to 5 years can be applied, firms or companies operating in such a way, should be reported to the Office of Fair trading, or the DTI.
- jb, montreal

October 30, 2008

I know you guys there love Dave Z and his irreverence, so I thought I would post this video if you have not seen it yet. It is the man himself discussing DZ Nuts. Classic Dave Z: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uYBlBn004Q Love the website and just leafing through all the impeccably written reviews, and someday I will purchase my dream bike from you guys.
- Cory, Dallastown, PA

October 30, 2008

In regard to the financial situation and asian imports. I had a meeting yesterday with one of the key economic development guys here in Montgomery County PA, and he is working with 5 companies who are pulling out of China and back to the US. Reasons given: 1)increased shipping costs 2)unreliable delivery times 3) increased wage costs in China 4)endemic corruption 5) Contamination in the supply pipeline. This is not the first time I have heard this. Food for thought.
- John, Skippack, PA

October 30, 2008

I too mourn the demise of Colnago from your website, the descriptions were great - maybe you could have a shrine section of your website were old brands go to rest in peace. Continue to be impressed with Pinarello's rise from the ashes of Alu.
- Angus, Farnham, Surrey, UK

October 29, 2008

do cervelo bikes come with a built in tailwind? cause thats what their exaggerated ads try to say.
- Bjarne Riis, a pharmacy in madrid.

October 29, 2008

how come you do not list the ridley track bike, the oval, its dead sexy!
- sarah palin, wassila , alaska

October 29, 2008

Yes, Colnago does stir emotions. I remember going into Velo Sport in Berkeley CA in about 1972 to pick out a road frame. Three colors; Merckx orange, silver and electric blue. There was probably 75 frames hanging in the shop. I'd never seen that many pro frames in one place before. Previous experience was at Spence Wolf's Cupertino bike shoo where you'd order a frame and you would see your frame in 6-12 months... The Colnagos hanging in Velo Sport were surreal. BTW great blog.
- Reg, San Francisco

October 29, 2008

Zero Gravity out of favour, EE-Brake now the new wonder stopper? It doesn't seem that long since you were lauding the virtues of ZG-08, Neg G, and N.E.R.D brakesets?
- Simon, Melbourne

October 29, 2008

your honesty and openness does you great credit...... not to mention actually taking the time to post this info.... Thanks
- Andy, DC

October 29, 2008

Speaking of Campagnolo, are the new centaur 10-speed shifters compatible with the old Record and Chorus 10-speed deraileurs?
- Eric, Pasadena

October 28, 2008

I dream of owning a Colnago even though they are painfully overpriced so I too was sad to see them go if only because I will miss the CC write ups on them that bordered on poetry. But I see why it makes sense. In response to Kyle, I own a Merckx MX Leader. Couldn't imagine a cooler bike - the history, the old school geometry and the Motorola paint scheme. But, it's just not a reasonable bike to purchase since I could have and Independent Fabrications steel frame with custom geometry for the same price. When Merckx started producing expensive aluminium frames and then (even more expensive) carbon frames made outside Europe I started to think the cache of the brand was no longer justified the price; they just weren't that much better than a Cannondale at half the cost. Same for Look and De Rosa. All good bikes, but none of them from a technical perspective worth what they are. But Cervelo has proved their worth under CSC, and ride that fine line between being just great bikes, but not corporate behemoths. Same with BMC, and Ridley, each provides something genuinely innovative, and that is refreshing. I have no doubt that in ten years people will yearn for a R3 the same way I do for a C-40 (Is it because of their dominance in different generations of Paris-Roubaix?).
- Adam, Bermuda

October 28, 2008

I don't want to be harsh on you guys but I just have to add that I was sad to see Colnago disappear, makes a guy long for the old days when you could browse De Rosa, Merckx, and Look frames on this site. I have to say that I doubt your sticking with Pegoretti all these years is really a "business" decision- they're great bikes, made by great people (sounds a lot like what you said about Colnago)- but they're never going to move lots of inventory. It's crazy to think that everyone wants to buy Canadian bikes these days. The times they are a changin'
- Kyle, Tulsa, OK