My last pair of LG shorts were about 3 years old. I think they were ergo-fit.... not sure of the exact name. But i wore a size large. I followed the sizing chart and got the XL as well as a L just for comparison. I could not get the large past my knee. The XL fit like a glove and the shoulder straps were not even noticeable. I have been a a few longer rides and I love the new leg grippers. The old gel style would rip hair out of my legs (didnt matter what brand).