I really want to love these shorts because I like the low key style and PI usually makes pretty good stuff. These shorts are well made but the fit is suspect. I ordered a Large (I have a 34" waist) and they were HUGE. So I sent them back (thanks HucknRoll) and got the Mediums and they were so tight that I couldn't move well enough to ride. So, I figured that I would give it one more try and ordered another large and these fit okay. Still a tiny bit on the big side, but reasonable unlike the first pair. I have ridden these a couple of times now and they are okay. Not my favorites as they tend to bunch a little bit, but I think they will do fine for less aggressive riding.