initially bought the Laser shorts and LOVED them. when I returned to the website to purchase a second pair, my size was sold out ! As my first Giordana shorts, I was very impressed with the quality of the material, and the chamois. So I ended up buying the FormaRed, and found them to be EVEN better: the compression, the feel, the breathability, and the chamois. They run a touch snugger than the FormaRed- but I kept the same size and they work well for me. Also, I have not found the leg grippers to be an issue.