Although I've been riding for over 20 years (mostly mountain), I've always skimped on shorts, buying whatever was on sale and wearing them forever. I've recently stepped up my appearence due to increased road riding and went to LBS to try on shorts. These fit well and looked good, so I plunked down the $130. I wore them without washing, and it was like I was sitting in my living room. So very comfortable! Tight in all the right places, loose where they should be, and padding like I'd never felt before. The best $130 I've ever spent. Then I washed them, and the 2nd ride was not as comfortable. I thought maybe just a fluke? I ordered a second pair from Realcyclist (saved tax and free shipping, so only $120) and same thing. First ride awesome, 2nd and following rides not so much. Are all shorts like this? Do any hold up after washing? BTW, I wash on extremely gentle cycle, with little mild detergent, and line dry. I'm 6'3", 195, 34 waist, 35 inseam and the XL fits very well.