These shorts have worked out great for me. If you do your research on these then you'll find that Dakine does offer them them in a pair that comes with a chamois but it's at least $40 more for the pair. I for one have several chamois already and didn't need another pair so it made sense. I've had these on the Wasatch Crest and days and days at The Canyons riding as hard I can. Never have I felt like they were to much and I love the ventilated slats in the front.
Solid job again Dakine on another great product.