yah, i mean, these are it. I have gone through a half a dozen riding shorts and i have finally arrived with these bad boys. very well thought out. excellent waist adjust, perfect blend of fabric. I dont even wear my other shorts anymore. took a nice spill today in some hard dirt... shorts take a beating with no sign of it. i was hesitant to purchase these because of the price and tried other brands/models before i bought this one. dont waste your money on the other crap out there. if you want the best riding shorts available, these are it. i just wish they had more colors. the blue is nasty looking ._.