Not sure why other reviewer rated these so bad, maybe didnt he read product description when ordering these? Anyhow, these shoes are excellent and have a great price tag too!! Cleats or no cleats these badboys get the job done particularly well. Rigid platform gives you alot of confidence when hammering down on your pedals, and the soft rubber outsole sticks tight on your platform pedals on your way back down the hill. I've matched these with Crank Bros, Time and XT clipless pedals and had no complaints. Super versatile shoe for XC, FR and DH riding... I'm on my second pair now. 1st pair lasted for about 3-4 seasons of use and abuse!