See my answer below about the knee caps ... which are also on my beefier Fox downhill pads and really help hold them snug and in place without slipping. Looks like the black is a different design and material from previous year but no longer offered. Looks somewhat better than the grey to me, but hard to know for sure. Will call Fox to see if they have any additional info.
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The description of the black model specifically mentions the knee cap, which apparently is not offered on the newer grey design. If you look at the pictures you can clearly see the difference in design between the black, which has much better ventilation, and the grey, where the air holes are smaller and more closed. Unfortunately it appears the black model was a previous year's design and all that is available now is the grey.
If you can afford a nice bike you can afford this stand. Top of the line construction and design. Sooooo plush it seems like it should cost twice as much as it does, seriously. It folds up easy and nice to have on weekend trips. Hard to think anyone could possibly be disappointed in this stand ... simply awesome. Don't know why I waited so long to get one.
Very well-made, loose and comfortable. I usually wear a tall large or XL in street clothes and the XL is a good fit for me (without armor). I often go XXL in bike clothes, too. Looks good. I'm picky and giving it 5 stars.
At $50 these are definitely on the high end in terms of cost, but if you ever wondered why anyone would pay that much for a pair of MTB gloves one ride in these should convince you. The design is perfect, with attention to the little things. If you hesitate at the price, wait for a 20-percent off coupon and go for it. If you pay $4K-$5K for a bike then you can afford to wear the best equipment, right? The XL were a bit tight on me, but the XXL were perfect. They grip like glue and give you more than enough control with three fingers on the bar and one on your hydro brakes. My only complaint is the name. Hey Fox, the Unabomber was a serial killer. Real people died, you know? Get a clue and change the name.
Gore has always stood for quality, design and style and this jacket is no exception. Even the little things you don't expect are perfect, like the cuffs, the pockets, the collar. I usually wear an XL so had to exchange for an XXL and suggest you order one size up yourself. This is a little more than I usually spend for bike gear, although I never sacrifice quality, and even at $200 this jacket represents significant value. I stopped by REI after a long ride today and a worker there started asking me about it, so I let him try it on and he was impressed. Bought this as an MTB jacket and it fits the bill, but great for road, running, backpacking, whatever. No neon colors or gaudy logos so you don't have to worry about scaring the wildlife. Highly recommended ... Gore FTW!