Great pair of pants. I live in the mountains of Colorado, so staying warm is key while descending. I have been winter riding for the last 4 years, using the Gore Bike Wear bibs. I bought the pair of tights without the chamois, so I can wear a pair of bib shorts with an excellent chamois and have a base layer to keep my quads warmer. The beauty about the tights without a chamois is that you can use them for skate skiing and running. The fit is perfect.