These socks are pretty straightforward. They are particularly thin, but they don't really bunch. The size L was also a bit large for my 10.5 size foot, but that did not matter much. They lose a star because they're not really "no-show." I suppose that when compared to crew socks or mid-calfs, then sure, these are short, but there was still a good inch or two sticking out of the top of my shoe. In that, they were actually longer than the socks I normally use to ride.