Disappointed with fit. Glad I read reviews before I ordered. I wear a 36-38" waist so I ordered an XXL and the waist was snug but ok. I could deal with that but the liner fits funky at the waist - it wads up & too loose at the lower cuff. The extra length of the outer wears on the knees after a few miles. The material is bomb but too much foo foo with all the zippers & pockets. I'm sending it back - so sorry Huck - you guys have great service! I'll keep buying from you guys.