Have two pairs of these - love the bright blue and green colors. I cut out the liners (just don't prefer liners when mtb'ing, these liners look nice though) which was a snap. The shorts are light, breezy and accommodating. I like the deep pockets for chapstick etc. I'm 5'8 '' 135 lbs (a bit hippy) and went with the size large and they fit perfectly. I've had several other pairs of Dakine shorts and these ones hit just a tad lower - at the back of my knee which is nice. Only draw back to the light colors (namely the green) is the dirt from the saddle that gets on them - requires a hand wash to get them fully clean.