I've put 2 seasons on the Vapor Shorts and have really enjoyed the product. If you need a quiver of one style short, these are the ticket. Plenty light to pedal on those long epics but heavy enough to thrash on the long descents. They have 2 small pockets on each side and an Iphone fits snugly in one while the other features a goggle/glasses chamois. For 2014, the velcro waist adjustments were updated to better materials and stitching. Generally, the vapor short will fall right around the middle of your knee. Pictured attached shows the short in Action at the Sundance Super-D here in Utah last month.