Everything about these shorts is great except the liner. I like the vent zippers. (always open). Cell phone pocket which I use all the time. Never knew where to put my phone till now. The liner is useless! I bought the Medium as I am a 34 waist and I could hardly get my leg into the liner insert. After I squezzed into the liner I felt like I was going to throw up they were sooooo tight. I don't use them and were my biking shorts under them, I was really disapointed about that as they snaped in nicely and the ones I have to use don't. I don't know who to call to complain about that. Its like they are a size small liner in a med pants.