I have put them in my favorite category. Great fit, comfortable. These shorts work well and allow me enough freedom to move, fit over my knee pads and keep most of the trail nasties off of my skin. They take spills in the dirt well and fend off tears from thorns. They could do with a more secure fastening system on the the fly instead of the velcro which comes undone when riding. This probably due to the many positions needed to ride difficult sections and in part to a well developed beer muscle. I will be buying these again.