I tried a few different gloves and combinations of gloves early in the season and thought maybe you just had to get used to having frozen fingers. That is not the case once I finally got these! I bought my normal glove size, large, and they are a little big but not too floppy and extra space is necessary for insulation, plus it allows enough space for another base glove if the weather ever got crazy cold! I have worn these solo in low teens and twenties and my fingers may not have been toasty the whole time but they definitely were not uncomfortable. They are warm without thick insulation so i still have good grip and road feel. The inner fleece not these things is ridiculously soft too!