Thanks, Dave. You are absolutely correct. The lower back protection is definitely something to brag about and should make it into your product descriptions.I ordered a pair of the Sportives but had to return them as they were a bit on the narrow side, (or perhaps I am a bit on the wide side) particularly the sizing of the panels that extend up the front of the quad. The Gore sections in the Sportive don't seem to have a lot of stretch. I considered buying a size larger but meanwhile found a deal on the Gore Vista pad-less tights and love them. They seem less narrow, with an effective stretchy section. Regardless, I am a HUGE fan of Gore bike-wear, especially the chamois. I have tried bike shorts in everything from Pearl Izumi to Louis Garneau, Descente, Castelli, Craft, etc., etc. Congrats on a choice chamois (espec. the pink chamois in the Xenon short!!! Let me know if you need any beta-testers!