bought these liners for replacing caneri ones I used the past 2 years for mtb riding and winter riding with tights. I always had problems with pearl izumi chami. Found they haven't changes their stitching habits since 90's.
Rode 2 rides and felt price was a bargain on here. Bought 2 more. After about 20 rides start getting sore in area below (mtb riding). Since I move around alot mtb riding here in north east usa you get more fritchen.
They have a stitch right down the middle of the short liner and when it wear down from sweat the stitch digs into you and rubs like a rope. I get sore after 3 hour rides. Found if I wear short (descente) instead don't have problem so know it the design of these liners.
I wouldn't buy these again.