Pinarello Dogma F8 $5,750.00
There's a new top dog in town.
Conceptualizing the 8th edition of Pinarello's revered Dogma platform originated last summer, at that time when the Italian brand's proven Dogma 65.1 was in the process of claiming yet another victory at le Tour under Team Sky's command. It was there that two of the UK squad's top sponsors agreed to partner on the bold endeavor, a project set to shatter the standards previously set by the multiple tour-winning 65.1.
Yes, we're talking about the supercar engineering team at Jaguar joining forces with Pinarello for the development of the all-new Dogma F8 — a complete ground-up redesign of what many called perfect. And in true Pinarello fashion, testing results of the recently released frame speak for themselves. Sharing the 65.1's finely tuned geometry, the machine's refined design, courtesy of material upgrades and fresh tube shapes, yields a race bike that lays claim to a 47% improvement in aerodynamics, a 16% more balanced feel, a 12% increase in rigidity, all while shaving 120 grams over the previous version in the process. Welcome to the future of asymmetric engineering.
Sticking with its proven ally in composite development, Pinarello again relied on Japanese carbon fiber supplier Toray for the F8's build. While the 65.1's 65-ton 65HM1K Nano-alloy Carbon Fiber was a carbon more rigid and reactive than anything Pinarello had previously used, Toray had an exclusive new material for the F8: Torayca T1100 1K Dream Carbon with Nano-alloy technology. While the name is certainly impressive, its application is even more so. T1100 is the current go-to outer skin for many modern aircrafts, and its stiffness-to-weight ratio is nothing short of stunning. Compared to a 940-gram, size 54cm Dogma 65.1 built with Toray's 65HM1K, the same frame built with T1100K weighs nearly 80 grams less, while retaining the same structural characteristics. But weight, of course, is only a slice of the Dogma F8 equation, as we all know tube shape application also plays a vital role in the bike's handling and overall efficiency.
Starting at the front of the frame, Pinarello applied its new Onda F8 fork, which, at 360 grams is 10% (40g) lighter and reduces fork drag by roughly 40% compared to the previous Onda 2. The new fork has been derived from that of Pinarello's TT-specific Bolide, wearing an optimized surface profile that works with airflow from the front wheel. The blades wear a somewhat "bowed" or convex stance, which Jaguar's engineers say is the sweet spot where air stays attached — reducing the size of the wake — without creating too large a frontal zone.
Moving to the frame, Jaguar's engineering expertise came into play through the use of CFD (Computational Fluid Dynamics), as well as using Pinarello's existing 65.1 Dogma as a baseline, in which more than 70 frame configurations and 300 CFD analysis cycles yielded the most aerodynamically efficient frame possible. Integral to these analyses was the implementation of Pinarello's new tube shaping, dubbed FlatBack. A cross-section view of this shape reveals an ovalized frontal section paired with a rather truncated back half, which was done to create a vacuum that eliminates turbulence. So while a true aerodynamic tube profile wears a non-UCI-legal 8:1 ratio, Pinarello applied the maximum 3:1 allowable ratio to the front half, without the drag-inducing ovalized rear half. The result is a tube profile that contributes to the frame's overall increase in aerodynamic efficiency, while maintaining the rigidity and ride quality of its predecessor.
You'll undoubtedly notice the seamless integration of the fork with the tapered 1 1/8 to 1 1/2in streamlined head tube and oversized FlatBack down tube. At the bottom bracket junction, Pinarello stuck with its proven Italian-threaded BB, a design choice it stands by for both reliability and overall rigidity. The F8's asymmetric chainstays are paired with the new Onda RS F8 seatstays, which are positioned low — meeting the seat tube farther down — and wear a more concave shape in comparison to the previous 65.1's stays. This lower design hides the rear brake cluster, along with the new TwinForce integrated seatpost clamp, thus improving the airflow past this rear section of the bike. Additionally, the extensive CFD testing revealed that by lowering the seat tube water bottle mounts, less drag resulted. Because of this, Pinarello incorporated three holes on the seat tube for two bottle mounting positions.
Pinarello's asymmetric design philosophy is ever-present in the Dogma F8, as its engineers again restudied the forces in action as a rider sprints on the pedals, pulls on the handlebars, and muscles the bike through corners. FEA (Finite Element Analysis) confirmed that the 65.1 Dogma's asymmetrical design was beneficial in leveling the variances in frame deflection from one side to the other, which is why the F8's tubes have been arranged in a similar, albeit more asymmetric (16% more), layup to better balance drive-side forces.
As with the 65.1, carefully engineered internal cable routing on the new F8 allows for you to easily choose between either mechanical or electronic shifting systems, without any penalty to the bike's aesthetic or its aerodynamic profile. The F8 features interchangeable cable stops at the frame openings that are capable of being intuitively swapped out should you select different drivetrains throughout the life of the frame. Along these lines, the carbon Air8 seatpost accepts both Shimano Di2 and Campagnolo EPS battery packs, but you'll need the mounting hardware, sold separately.
The Pinarello Dogma F8 Frameset is available in 13 sizes from 42 to 62cm. It comes in the colors 950 Naked Red, 951 Naked Silver, 952 Carbon Red, 953 Black Yellow Fluo, 954 White Carbon Red, 956 Red, and 958 Team Sky.
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Reviews & Community
Chris Froome's F8
It's better, not by much, but better.
- Familiarity: I've used it once or twice and have initial impressions
Built it last night and test it today, so I am not sure about sustain speed yet, this is where better aerodynamics should shine. As pictured the F8 is 13 pounds 5 ounces, 65.1 is 13 pounds 15 ounces. I transferred the components from my SLR01 (except the BB and crank), and the SLR01 tips the scale at 13 pounds 2 ounces. Weight difference between the dogmas, other than frame/fork, is mostly the wheelset (90 grams), handlebar (30 grams), stem (5 grams), saddle (15 grams), bottle cages (10 grams), maybe a few grams on the cable housing( rear brake and rear derailleur). It handles really well but so is the 65.1, accelerates like the SLR01 which I think is a tad better than the 65.1, but this could be from the difference in weight. Never climb on it yet and did not time how long I can keep my top speed. But base on my initial ride it should be a little better than the 65.1. Corners really well, hold its line better than my SLR01 but just about even as the 65.1. Just sold my SLR01 to a friend today. This is my 5th Pinarello all I can say is it keeps getting better and lighter. The seat post retainer works the same way as the P4, mine cracked on this area, though cervelo replace it with a P5(free). The strain it exerts on the frame is opposite as a regular clamp, i hope it fairs better than the P4. Thanks Wes
LOVE IT! It doesn't get any better!
- Gender: Male
- Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer
Let me preface my comments by stating that I have owned a Dogma 60.1, a Dogma 2, and two Dogma 65.1 bicycles. I've also owned a BMC SLR01 and a Time VXRS UL Team. I currently own a 2015 S-Works Venge. I purchased the Dogma F8 two weeks ago. It is in a league of its own.
Plain and simple....the DOGMA F8 is, by far, the best bike I've ever ridden. Unlike the Dogma 65.1, it is much more comfortable. It is more compliant. It is much faster off of the line and it handles better. It has the same great geometry as the Dogma 65.1 and rides equally well when you are in the groove. It is incredibly stable down hills and it climbs well. It is fast in the flats and it has great power transfer.
It is an incredible bicycle to ride! Fast...Comfortable...Handles like magic. What more can I say?
If you buy it.....you will never look back!
PERFORMANCE EXCEEDS THE HYPE
- Familiarity: I've used it several times
First, Competitive Cyclist is a stand-up company and thanks to their integrity I am one of the fortunate few to clip in the Dogma F8. In addition, I have been working with Mike Nelson since December 2013 and he is an outstanding Customer Solutions Rep! I have logged ~ 110 mi over 2 days since upgrading from the Dogma 65.1 and echo the statements regarding the frame. It is smooth, responsive, and fast. Maiden voyage was 65 miles and felt that I had been riding this frame for months. On one particular climb that I ride often, my average was 1.5mph faster with less effort. I can't say enough about this frame, Pinarello set the gold standard again. Regarding the build, once again, the Di2 internal battery mount is not included, the mechanical plugs on the down-tube are labeled incorrectly; i.e. the L goes on the right side and the R goes on the left side. Finally, be careful if you use the lower seat tube water bottle position. My bottle rubbed against the frame. I would recommend checking the cage position with the bottle to ensure it does not rub. Once again, thanks MIke Nelson and Competitive Cyclist for your outstanding customer service.
Nothing Short of Incredible
- Familiarity: I've used it once or twice and have initial impressions
First you should know I was never a diehard Dogma fan. The 65.1 had great geometry but not the smoothest nor lightest. I don't dislike the older Dogma but never felt the need to own one. The F8 is on a whole new level of smooth and the power transfer is unprecedented. The fork is not only a joy to look at but is equally a joy to ride. Some things in life are so good it is impossible to take them for granted and the F8 is one of those things. Even while riding it in heavy rain at an unsafe hour without lights all I could think of is how wonderful the F8 is to ride. My first impression was beg, barrow, or steal, I need to get one of these.
What is the difference between the size...
What is the difference between the size 47 and 50. They both have the same top tube. Which would have a lower stand over.
The headtube is a little longer on the 47 and the reach is just slightly longer on the 50.
Had to have it the minute Wes emailed me
Ok I admit i love Pinarellos! Wes and Competitive Cyclist had just built me a Dogma Hydro but when Wes sent me the release on the F8 My response immediately back was "I WANT ONE". I have two Graals, a Movistar and the Hydro. I am looking forward to getting on the F8 as I train for Race Accross the West and RAAM. As usual doing a build with Wes is a blast. Just like a kid in the candy store. I want this: no scratch that Wes I want this instead. As soon as it is built i will post a follow up. Big thanks to Wes for being my Italian connection!
"16% more balanced feel" - what unit of measure do you use for "balanced feel"? Metric Rocking Horse $hits?