so good i likey hard soles so you don't get sore feet a little warm in the sun, i hate treaded xc shoes, what's up with the tread? like i'm walking or something. The cleat positions are perfect for xc or down hill, and i love having a little extra weight around my feet you know what i mean? i also have the shimano dh shoes and these look way more chill. flat soles are good for sliding your foot over the dirt or a rock without jamming it into a jumbo tread or one of those crazy front metal cleat stud things on sidi shoes.