Wouldn't get them again
I actually bought these at my LBS, but want to throw in my 2 cents. There are 2 main problems with these shorts: 1) the liner is practically paper thin, so for any decent riding, there is not enough cushion there, and 2) the liner and shorts snap together (4 sets of 3 snaps). The snaps are there, obviously, to keep the liner from shifting around. Problem is that if you want to use this liner with any other shorts, or without snapping it in, the snaps painfully dig into the skin at your waist. Some positives: the shorts are very light weight, and they seem to be durable. I am 175 lbs, 5'-10" 32/33 waist, and had to get a large. I typically ride 2x/week, 13-25 miles per ride, singletrack.