I like these shorts and the detachable taint pad. The style is definitely gonna take awhile to get used to. One day my wife said "Hey hunny, we have the same pants on!". After the aciditic taste left my mouth, I rode my bike for a few hours in them. At the first opportunity I changed into some other shorts and enjoyed the rest of my day. Endura is a top of the line brand and these manprees are awesome for riding and venting those areas that need venting, other than that they stay in my drawer, ready for the next ride.