Great shorts - sizing is WTF?
I'm a true 36". Ordered a Large. They would not go past my knees. Order a full size up for sure, maybe 2 if your are on the upper end. The liner is over padded and fells like you dropped a deuce in your shorts, but I think they will pack down and be fine. The shell is great and will take a lot abuse I think. Size up on these!!