I used these knickers this spring for training and commuting. They fit well, are true to size, and seem durable. They gradually creep down as all shorts and tights do when walking, but stay right in place when pedaling. Cut for me falls right below the knee. Chamois is a nice thickness (read: not a thick beginner pad but more than a tri chamois.) I used them down to about 45 with knee high socks with no issues, though it was pushing it. Chilly inner thighs, but nothing to extreme! I will most definitely be buying another pair or two for my fall riding/cylocross racing needs.